Letters to the Editor, May 10

Community can’t be pigeonholed

Re: Letter, “Enough complaining about ST/PCV,” T&V, Apr. 26
While I agree that the nasty complaining on this page has often been excessive, one letter writer last week chose to see the nasty and raise it, by stereotyping all who complain, and by incorrectly claiming that market rate rents subsidize stabilized rents.

Increasing the number of market rate rents was a relatively recent move intended to “subsidize” the coffers of Tishman Speyer, and now those rents partially subsidize things like constant horticultural work and Oval Amenities.

Having lived here for ten years here (not long by Stuy Town standards), I have things in common with both the older and newer generation of residents, and I know not to pretend that either generation all thinks the same way. I have learned more than once here that it’s best to reach out to others to try to work out the problems that our close quarters can cause.

It works well that Al Salame’s letter was printed so close to the anniversary of Rodney King’s famous quote!

Al Salame should consider that angry or lamenting letters printed on this page are from real individuals, and should also realize that those letters are rarely as angry as Salame’s own.

David Dartley, ST

How about Oval Peace?

Re: Letter, “How is ‘special event’ in ST/PCV defined?”, T&V, May 3)
Great letter, Mr. Roth. I’ve always thought that the Oval (as it used to be) was one of the main selling points of Stuyvesant Town because it was such a peaceful and pleasant “oasis.” It was always nice to step out of the noise and bustle of the city and enjoy the beautiful trees and greenery of Stuyvesant Oval.

I think commercializing it and adding “events” is a bit of a misstep because it isn’t as if we don’t have plenty of entertainment, food, bustle and commerce in the surrounding City and even in the immediate neighborhoods. The contrast between the Oval and the “outside world” was, in my opinion, the thing that made it so unique. Why spoil a good thing? To me, putting “events” and commerce in the Oval makes as much sense as the management of Lincoln Center thinking they could enhance the enjoyment of the ballet by putting up a jumbo screen showing NASCAR racing on the same stage as Swan Lake! That’s just me, though.

Frances Clarke, ST

Talk about being run into the ground.

When I moved into PCV/ST in May of 1989, the grounds were beautiful to behold. Landscaping, tending to the grass, flowers, bushes and trees was meticulously done on a regular basis.

These days, I’m sorry to observe, no one seems to care much about the garden areas; and worse, a few dog owners, in spite of signs asking them to keep off the grass, walk right pass the sign, and let their dogs relieve themselves where people will later sit to picnic or sunbathe. The lawn opposite 390 1st Ave., which I walk by everyday, is surrounded by low-lying bushes many of which are dying due to constant dog urination.

Other people, too lazy to walk around the lawn, just trample over it. Still others, rather than use designated playgrounds, play sports on the grass, turning a once beautiful lawn into an raggedy eyesore.
Perhaps PCV/ST management should consider returning the little chain-link fences that used to surround the grass, flower and bush areas. In fact, maybe the fences don’t need to be so little.

Name withheld, PCV

No bigotry in debate over contraception…

Re: Letter, “Harsh tone to contraception debate letters,” T&V, May 3
To the Editor:

In response to Mr. Sawicki’s letter and comments, let me assure him that the tens of millions of Catholics and non-Catholics who support insurance coverage for contraceptives are neither “hysterical” nor “bigoted.”

The policy (exempting churches), of requiring other employers to include this basic coverage in their health benefits for their employees who wish to prevent unplanned pregnancies is sensible and responsible.

It is a far better option than abortion. Persons who wish to abstain may certainly do so. But women and men who want to avail themselves of this common health care ought not be excluded because their employer may be connected to, or funded by, a religious organization.
His Eminence Timothy Cardinal Dolan has indicated his intention to litigate this matter to the Supreme Court.

That of course is his right to exercise as an American citizen. However other citizens also have a right to be speak out and criticize a position that would impose religious standards on public health policy.


Steven Sanders

No rudeness either

To the Editor:

Mr. Sawicki’s criticism of pro-contraception letters as not being as polite as he might wish is truly pathetic in consideration of the vital importance of this issue to women.

Interestingly, no women seem to be openly in the pro-contraception camp, with one exception… myself.

My letter on this topic responded to every point in Mr. M’s letter with all the seriousness due to such absurd positions. Divorce, adultery, abortion, population decline and dead fish were duly commented upon.

Where he got his information is a mystery to me. Nowhere do I see any anti-Catholic rhetoric either.

So sorry to have offended your delicate sensibilities.

H. Zwerling, ST

Tone in letters noted

Thank you for printing Mr. Sawicki’s letter as I too have noticed distinct difference in tone of previous letters.

The pro-Catholic church people are not knuckle-draggers; we are just opposed to the Obama administration’s requiring the Catholic Church to subsidize something it believes is immoral. What is so hard to understand?
Thank you again.

Joan Carmody, PCV

6 thoughts on “Letters to the Editor, May 10

  1. “Run into the ground” – it’s the grassy areas in both ST & PCV. They’re being left to go to seed. The genie is out of the bottle with respect to the dogs & walking on the grass. You can’t have it both ways: Beautiful lawns vs people & dogs going everywhere. This isn’t the suburbs where there would be over 1/8 acre for every dog. Over 20,000 people & a growing dog population unregulated within our limited area will wreck these lawns over time. You’re seeing it happen right now.


    The radical right (aka, Tea Party members) have been redeffed to as a “grassroots movement.” They are not — they actually they have been financed and begun by the Fox News Channel and the super-rich “1%” — e.g., the Koch Bros. and …

    But, to keep control of the political structure of this nation, they need the bottom part of the income distribution. So, issues as contraception, lack of religious freedom, “sodomy,” the right to choose, “Obamacare”,” are distorted and used to appeal to the lower classes. (This is not to say that some citizens don’t really care about some of these concerns.)

    As far as the Catholic Church: they have a right to lobby for whatever they wish to. Usually ignored by the right media is the Pope’s voiced concern for the growing disparity between the few sup-rich and the remainder —
    some of whom have nothing. As the middle class shrinks…

    You all know what Chist said about the rich vs. the poor and their entance to Heaven.

  3. “The radical right (aka, Tea Party members) have been redeffed to as a “grassroots movement.” They are not — they actually they have been financed and begun by the Fox News Channel and the super-rich “1%” — e.g., the Koch Bros. and …”

    That is just a ridiculous statement with no foundation in reality. Isn’t Soros and Clooney and the other Hollywood elites doing the absolute same thing on the left? Show us your facts or retract your ludicrous statement. FYI, I am an independent voter who normally votes Democrat…I am just tired of the same old media lies that are taken as facts by those who want to distort.

  4. Re: Comment by “JD” about my post

    I did make an error; replace “redeffied” to “referred” in the first sentence.

    What has happened to our country since George W. Bush was elected is increased greed and lies. Firsly, we spent (as is said) thousands of lives and treasure by invading Iraq. We are always told that we are fighting for freedom and for bombs that never existed. This was a lie. We went there for oil. And Halliberton was given a great many contracts. Cheney had been an executive in that company — a coincidence? Then “W” uses his volunteer military (about 1%) and tells the rest of us to go shopping and reduces taxes including the very rich.

    Then Wall Street and the banks sell morgages to ingorant and unsophisticated persons as the banks make a fortune. The housing market tanks… Two wars and the worst economic disastor since the great depression greets Obama.

    Yes, I agree with the Buffet rule. He asked years ago why his $60K secretary pays more ijncome tax than he who has an income of over a billion per year?

    Then you have Gov. Walker of Wisconsin who under the umbrella of dealing with the budget ends collective bargaining for governement workers. Today a videotape was released in which he said: first the government workers and then he would make Wisconsin a right to work state. His then commented: “We’ll divide and counqer.” To pit the two groups of workers against each other. He is backed by, yes, the Koch Bros.

    I have voted for the Democratss and the GOP — but, the Republican party is not our father’s party. Incidentally, I wrote a glowing assessment of Mayor Rudy in T&V in 1991. But the GOP has merged with corporate interests and offered mistruths to the rest of us. Do you know what that’s called?…


  5. You’re diatribe is very nice.Your liberal bias is very clear. If I wanted to I could play devils advocate and debate you on every point you made. You say Haliburton, I counter Solyndra. You say Fox news is biased I could say the same thing about CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, MSNBC, CNN etc. Obama increased the number of soldiers in Afghanistan, kept Gitmo open, farmed out enhanced interrogation to other nations and greatly increased the number of drone attacks. Even Warren Buffett doesnt like the Buffett rule since it has been proven that it would decrease net tax receipts not raise them (See OMB’s analysis) . I dont like the rule (not because it would affect me personally, I wish) but because it punishes success.Wouldnt a flat tax where everyone pays the same rate on all their earnings be the most fair tax we could have.Then Warren and his secretary would pay the same rate. Everyone would pull equal weight. By the way comparing Buffetts tax rate to his secretary’s tax rate is BS because Mr Buffett’s income is derived from a different source and he chose to take the lower tax rate. He could have paid the higher rate if he chose but he didnt. My mother taught me actions speak louder than words apparently Warren never heard of this.. (PS Happy Mothers Day to all). You say Walker is ruining Wisconsin I could say he is saving it from becoming another NY or California, 2 states on the brink of bankruptcy due to politicians who cut unsustainable deals with unions just to get their votes with no regard for the future consequences. Now there are towns in Cal. with no current police force because they cant pay both the current cops and the retired cops.You say divide and conquer for Walker? Isnt that the Obama teams mantra? You say facism I counter Socialism. Apples and oranges.Everything you say isnt OK for the conservatives to do seems to be ok with you when liberals do the exact same thing.You state that the Republican party isnt our fathers GOP and I say the exact same thing is true of the Democratic party. One is more conservative one is more liberal. As I stated earlier I think both parties are full of beans.You claim to be of the same persuausion but your words contradict that. However,none of this is even relevant. What is relevant is that you never addressed the issue. You made a statement, I challenged your facts. I’d still like to know where you got your facts if you could point me in the right direction. P.S. In my humble opinion, Jesus never condemned wealth (see the parable of the talents) he condemned selfishness and greed yes but not wealth. Being poor doesnt guarantee one entrance into heaven any more than being rich would guarantee ones denial.

  6. To: JD

    I am pleased to received you well-thought out comments.

    You know very little about the genisis of my present positions. As a Liberal in the 1960’s I saw how the War on Poverty (who could be against that?) ended up in the main as hurting the very people it was intended to help. How
    Daniel Patrick Moynihan (who worked for both Democratic and Republican administations) saw the unintended consequences. He was lambasted by Liberals as being a rascist — but his views were on target and we see the results to this day.

    Before Bush-2, I would have been labeled as a neo-conservative. Liberal friends of mine would criticize me for this orientation. Reagen said it was not he who changed; it was his former party (the Democrats) that changed. This is analogous to my new alliances due to evolution of GOP postions. Incidentally, today’s Tea Party types would not accept Ronald Reagan because they would feel that he was too Liberal. Add Bary Goldwater. I could go on… But, let me make a suggestion…

    A suggestion: read or take a look at Thomas Frank’s WHAT’S THE MATTER WITH KANSAS?

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