Letters to the editor, June 15

It’s a playground, not a bark park

I honestly do not mind people in Stuyvesant Town owning dogs. For the most part, so far, our walks and playgrounds are still fairly clean. I don’t even mind neighbors’ dogs barking every time I enter and leave my apartment. I acknowledge this is a shared building, and not a private home.

What I do mind is this preposterous idea of a Saturday morning dog “get together” in playground 6. I could not believe my ears June third when sitting in my living room reading the New York Times, there were at least twenty dogs all barking at each other. This continued from 9 a.m. to 12 noon. It was excessively noisy and extremely annoying that on Saturday, when most people and I have off from work, we were accosted by incessant dog barking for three hours.

I would like to know who thought up this crazy, offensive (to non-dog owners) idea. The owners thought this was great fun– 20 barking dogs for three hours. Do they not hear how loud this is? Obviously they put dog rights above human quality of life.

I hope there is not a next time for all of us whose apartments face Playground 6.

Until this practice is stopped, I have prepared myself with Advil and earplugs. I was thinking about standing outside a dog owner’s apartment and barking for three hours straight when he was trying to relax and his dog was no longer barking, but my husband reminded me that Bellevue was right up the block.

Marianne Emanuel, ST

Playground noise not a problem

I’m writing in response to the recent two-year tenant and psychotherapist Stuart Levinson, who continues to complain about noise from Playground 11 in a May 18 article by Sabina Mollot (“Fed up by basketball noise, ST man aims to get rid of playground,” T&V, May 18).

I am an original tenant in Stuy Town (December 1947). Our apartment is on Main (one floor up) in a Stuy Oval apartment which faces Playground 11.
Our complex is so unique! So many places for kids, grownups and seniors to gather, play, work out and meet to chat. Playgrounds are wonderful for different activities. Noise is really minimal. Mr. Levinson, changing Playground 11 “to a garden” is not an option.

I have just one word for Mr. Levinson, who just got married two years ago to a 20-year tenant — if it is so noisy and annoying for you — move! We who live in ST/PCV love the diversity/variety in our very unique, private complex.

Lois Hall, ST

RGB, hear my plea

I’m a retired government worker and have the good fortune of collecting a pension. Eventually I will also be able to collect Social Security. But the only way for me to afford living in NYC and stay in my Rent Stabilized apartment is because I continue to work part-time. Together, these streams of income keep my rent at 40 percent of my income.

But what happens when I can no longer work? I’m already bringing in more than the $50,000 that would freeze my rent under SCRIE so I will never be able to benefit from the age/income related freeze program as I age. Once I stop working, my rent will only continue to increase, while my income will stagnate.

I foresee having to spend 50 percent, 60 percent or even more of my benefits on rent.

This is a horrifying prospect and will force me into a situation where I may eventually face eviction when I have to choose between rent and the other necessities of life.

The buck needs to stop here with a continued rent freeze that reflects how the rest of us live.

Name withheld, ST

17 thoughts on “Letters to the editor, June 15

  1. I have attended several of the dog play times, and they are a wonderful way to meet neighbors and watch as our canine friends are able to go off leash for 1 1/2 hour two times a month. The playground hours for the dogs are one and a half hours, so far as I am aware, not three hours as stated in the complainant’s letter (although I will admit that time seems to go by much more slowly when one is seething with anger).

    I do understand that dogs can be noisy. So can children. So can teenagers. So can workers and people driving vehicles. We do live in a city, however, and sometimes if we want complete quiet perhaps the best thing is to wear ear plugs. ( No matter how much I complain, the city refuses to stop the traffic on FDR for me while I am trying to sleep or have a cup of tea.).

    Perhaps the writer might consider coming down and watching the dogs joyfully romping, and talking to some of the neighbors, he might actually enjoy it!

  2. Dear Marianne, I think your complaint would be more credible if you didn’t exaggerate so much. All the dog days events begin at 10am and finish at 11:30 am, so just a one and a half hour inconvenience for you rather than the three hours you state, more than once. They are also rotated around several of the most under used playgrounds in Stuy Town, playground 6 being just one of them. Stuyvesant Town Dog Days are a very enjoyable community get together for both owners and dogs and only happen twice a month through the Summer.

  3. Complaining about noise in downtown Manhattan is somewhat ridiculous. Stuy Town is generous enough to allow dog owners to use their rarely used playgrounds twice a month for an hour and a half. It is closely monitored, restricted to residents and rotates among the multiple rarely used parks in PCVST and and only happens in the warmer months. Yes, dog barking can be annoying, but noise is part of living in New York City, do you yell at the construction that has been going on across 14th street for years? Do you yell at the weekend partiers who are screaming and yelling on 14th and Avenue A late at night? I live across from a children’s playground where kids scream and yell from 9 AM to 8 PM sometimes, I just shut my window and turn on a fan or the A/C when it bothers me. PCVST is trying to balance the needs of all residents, and they do a good job of that considering the size of the complex. Shutting down a popular activity that actually makes use of these parks and slightly inconveniences you for an hour and a half every six weeks seems rather extreme.

    • Bullshit. While we, the majority of tenants that don’t own dogs, can’t do much about street noise, the decision to add dozens of barking dogs to the mix is completely optional. It doesn’t have to be.

      There are public dog runs just a few blocks away. Why not take your dog for a walk there? I hear they enjoy the exercise. No one should have to put up with a goddamned outdoor kennel outside their window.

      I’d encourage anyone who’s inconvenienced by this to keep the complaints coming in to management. Put on the pressure, push back, they’ll eventually bend and take the path of least resistance and cancel this failed experiment.

      • Thanks for the tone, it never surprises me how vulgarity comes into the conversation so quickly. You obviously don’t have the correct information about the Dog Days, the information I stated is fact, and many of the owners do take their dogs to other dog runs frequently. The Dog Days is a great way to meet other tenants of PCVST while allowing their dog some exercise as well. And I can assure you that living across from an active playground is far more annoying than having some dogs barking outside for an hour and a half once a month, but we deal with it rather than complain.

        • A little vulgarity is “part of living in New York City”.

          Or haven’t you heard?

  4. The outrageousness of complaining about noise.How dare anyone! We live in Manhattan, as we are continually reminded, not in a Florida retirement home! And anyone who complains must be one of those uptight, angry residents who would just mellow out with a lot of dogs around. Just as long as you don’t bring a pig over to the doggie assembly. (Photos of an actual pig in ST’s Dog Days are available!)

    • There was a time when PCVST was known for being a quiet oasis in this loud, overbearing city. In fact, that was one of its big selling points. The dogs can be annoying, but not nearly as much as those caterwauling concerts in the space that used to be a beautiful restful, healthful tree park, and the shrill woo hoo girls and braying broherds of students (who are usually at full throat at 3 am). Then we have the nonstop construction inside and outside as “improvements” are made. Yup, I’ll take the dogs any day over the rest of the racket!

  5. Wow, thank you, thank you Marianne for your logical request; welcome to my world, and my fight against the noise from Playground #11. When ST/PCV was developed and built it was intended to be in a quiet, lower east side area, near the FDR, but away from the ancillary noises generated in other Manhattan areas. It is beyond me why they decided to situate playgrounds and high noise areas in the middle of and in between the 12 story apartment buildings (not well designed). However, whether it is barking, defecating dogs, or loud maintenance workers/equipment, or the loud basketball courts’ dribbling/yelling, or noisy residents/visitors loitering on the grounds, or noisy neighbors, etc., it is self-serving and dumb for others to profess that living in Manhattan dictates tolerating violations of the City noise laws and residents’ right to quiet enjoyment of their apartments. I am not against dogs, or families, or children, or sports, but certainly against undue noise. Recreate, and, take your dogs to the lengthy, contiguous park and recreational areas in the FDR park and elsewhere, including any dog runs, which are the rational, neighborly, and appropriate things to do. So, keep on vehemently complaining about the noises to Rick Hayduk, our General Manager at 212 598-5288; to our Tenants Assoc. at 866-290-9036; to Geraldine Kelpin, Director of Air, Noise Policy and Enforcement at the DEP, Bureau of Environmental Compliance at (718) 595-3627; to our Property Manager, Deborah Sabatino at 212 598-5264; and to our Assistant Chief Engineer, Ed Moravansky at 347 680-0470. Thank you.

    Stuart Levinson, ST

    • Stuart, I want to thank you for posting the contact info for those who might be interested in feedback about the dog events. I plan to text them all right now and let them know how appreciative I am of these get togethers, and that hope they will continue and hopefully happen more frequently.

      • Great idea Carla, then we can get the NYPD involved, as well as anyone else. Your a real forward thinker, and so unselfish. Here’s a thought, why not learn to socialize without your dogs. I’m sure the dogs would rather be walked, smell, crap, etc.. Maybe then they wouldn’t bark and annoy others.

        • Stuart, it sounds like you are annoyed and frustrated that your needs for peace and quiet and cleanliness are not being met.
          I would be happy to talk to you about your concerns.

        • Hi guys, thanks for pointing out my cluelessness about phone numbers! Much appreciated, I was able to call directly.
          Meanness doesn’t bother me if it end up being helpful in some way.😊

    • Stuart, as someone already pointed out in your initial ridiculous post, these parks were not put where they are by mistake. Every single building in Stuy Town and almost all buildings in PCV face a playground. This community was built for veterans and their families, and this was in the height of the baby boomer generation, so they took this into mind when building all the playgrounds.

      Please, go ahead and call all of the above numbers… let them know that people are enjoying playgrounds in a private development. I’m sure NYPD will make your complaint a priority.

  6. I appreciate the offer, and can be reached at 212 308-5363, or leave a number. I was born and raised in Suburban NJ, as well as living in a number of other cities and states, always experiencing respect for, and appreciation of, other peoples need for privacy, quality of live, and human decency. I see no reason for the same standards in NYC.

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